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I wonder how Thom Hartmann*, Rhandi Rhodes, Glenn "shoot him in the head" Beck, Rush, Levin, Ingraham, Boortz, Hannity, Savage, Huffington Post - all of them - I wonder how they will show their faces in public as quality programs such as this become the norm? This single episode belies the diluted impotent nature of their Corporamerikan propascamda shows for the slanted lies-via-omission circus acts they really are.
Here's a snippet from the purblind Huffington Post - click red lettering above to see page:
" Editor's Note: The Huffington Post's editorial policy, laid out in our blogger guidelines, prohibits the promotion and promulgation of conspiracy theories -- including those about 9/11. As such, we have removed this post."
Now - let's see how it is supposed to be done...
VIDEO 1
The first video from AlJazeera begins with a refreshingly fair presentation of the subject matter- Jesse Ventura's book: "American Conspiracies: Lies, Lies, and More Dirty Lies that the Government Tells Us." A respectful interview commences with well-reasoned questions - allowing Jesse Ventura the time required to provide detailed answers to challenging questions.
A questioner asks if Jesse Ventura may be doing these interviews more for personal financial gain vs. patriotic reasons - or if possibly he knows more than he is talking about since he held elected positions with an implication that perhaps he has information he cannot divulge publicly that is compelling him to "go public."
Jesse quotes Thomas Jefferson saying "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" as he defends his exercise of duty as an American citizen in holding his government accountable - disregarding the opprobrium the fake Corporamerikan propascamda media goons attempt to slime upon him - all for simply asking questions.
The actual Thomas Jefferson quote, however, seems to be:
“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then.” There are claims that the wording Jesse uses is misattributed to Thomas Jefferson.
I'd hate to see the reaction in Amerika if Jesse used the verbatim quote since the word rebellion might place him on a "do not fly" list. However - without going to Jefferson's writings I am still relying on the internet for these "facts." Regardless, if not to the exact letter of Jefferson - Jesse's paraphrase certainly captures the spirit of Jefferson's words.
To the question about Jesse having motives other than patriotism ... well you have to listen to his answer to that one. You may agree such criticisms are almost laughable after you hear his answer.
But perhaps this caller didn't really mean it that way. Jesse Ventura did a good job answering. I wonder if he was taken off-guard by an interview program that really was "fair and balanced" as demonstrated by their actions rather than tin-hollow words a la Faux news? I wonder if he may still be extra-vigilant answering questions since most interviewers he faces in the Corporamerikan propascamda media outlets greet him with hostility, insults, ridicule, theatrics and "deer-in-the-headlights" blank stares when he asks how WTC7 fell the way it did?
VIDEO 2
In this second video segment Jesse Ventura mentions that the CIA is active within the borders of the United States despite the conflict such activity presents vis a vis their charter - where it is illegal for them to operate within the United States. Hmmm - here's a recent incident that comes to mind that makes me think he's telling the truth:
Here is a snippet from an article to get you started on your own research - see entire article BY CLICKING HERE - make up your own mind.
" Last week’s breakin at Senator Mary Landrieu’s office in the New Orleans Federal Building was more than it seemed, much more. All of the 4 arrested had been trained by the CIA and, possibly, Israel. One arrested, Stan Dai, is listed as an Operations Officer of the Department of Defense Irregular Warfare Program and a known expert and lecturer on, not only surveillance but explosives training, assassinations and “false flag operations.” If you wanted a plane to crash, an enemy to get sick and die or a building to blow up, Dai would be the man to know how to make it happen. Problem is, his skills were being used as part of a criminal conspiracy inside the United States against members of our own government."
Another question to Jesse Ventura from audience member: Time=7:38
"Many documentaries support the belief that 9/11 was an inside job. However one becomes skeptical because the U.S. government can't kill it's own people."
Jesse brings up the Gulf of Tonkin incident - good point. Which reminds me of another incident from June 8, 1967 that gives credence to doubters of the honesty and good-will of the United States government when it comes to the well-being of its service members. In this case Americans were killed by non-American forces.
U.S.S. Liberty Memorial Site - Remember the Liberty
From the site (click link below picture for more):
" Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder."
One wonders why, if the United States government is so very concerned with the lives of our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines that this incident remains without closure?
Another video from the left:
Murder Incorporated
My hat is off to Riz Khan. I wonder if we can hire Riz Khan to give Larry King, Wolf Blitzer, Geraldo, Bill O. and the rest of them listed above training in journalism, critical thinking, manners or good listening skills? Bad idea - maybe just hire Riz Khan period. Or is that the problem - Corporamerikan Propascamda media mouthpieces are doing precisely their jobs - their masters' bidding designed - not to find truth - but to spread fear. To further agendas rather than try to get answers and truth necessary for an informed electorate. To protect their jobs by NOT reporting the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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*UPDATE MARCH 15, 2010 Thom Hartmann has earned back respect - he had Jesse Ventura on his show today to discuss his book "American Conspiracies"
- perhaps I don't understand completely the pressure radio hosts are under. Thanks Thom Hartmann for doing what you can to get the word out. I'm still piqued that you didn't give me more time to rebut you on Charlottesville, VA radio when you were speaking about your book on the Boston Tea Party when I asked why you are not speaking out more about Cass Sunstein's attacks on free speech. But thank you again for having Jesse on and making time for some discussion on the topic as a follow up - and as time goes on I'll keep listening to your show providing your freedom of speech is not infringed.
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UPDATE MARCH 19, 2010 Dr Sabrosky audio interview at bottom of this article
Why is it Americans like Ventura lay claim to an undeniable "love of country" because they served in the military?
ReplyDeleteFor instance, Ventura vaunts of his family's disturbing obsession with military service, including his being a Vietnam vet. Since he knows, and we know, the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a false flag, how does his serving in that "war" prove him more patriotic than, say, any conscientious objector?
It's all too reminscent of Americans who insist they support the troops, but not the war. The troops make the war possible! Those damned mindless orders-loving troops!
The American psyche remains a conundrum.
Best Regards,
babette
911=USrael
thank you for saying that babette... while i find a lot of what ventura has to say credible and important, he lacks credibility since he was not only a member of the US military but a member of one its elite units. he was also a governor. he says the cia paid him a visit while he was a governor and that he had at least one cia assignee on the state payroll. however, he didn't bother to mention this until he got involved in "truth" and "conspiracy."
ReplyDeletefurthermore, i have heard him say that he thought the new world order was a natural evolution towards world government - kinda like "star trek."
sorry jesse... there's NOTHING to be proud of about being a part of the US military or government.
The problem with the truth is that so many on the side of it are detractors. Debra Medina is poo-pood for not being 'truther' enough, Jesse Ventura lacks credibility ... for having been a governor?
ReplyDeleteWhat these people are is EFFORT - they are making the EFFORT. Only to be decried by those without the courage to USE THEIR OWN NAMES???
I have no qualms attaching my born-moniker in saying STUFF IT FOLKS - at least he's trying.
Why does service in the U.S. military automatically mean anything? Judge the man by his actions -
ReplyDeleteAmerica has a history obviously - things change within the context of historical eras - and persons serving in the U.S. military have done great things for many people. I know because I was told that by people in Europe who felt that America had saved them.
Don't ask me to answer for the words of those who've said that to me - you'll have to take that up with them.
But when a population is lied to - and the media has been co-opted and corrupted - it is unfair to blame a well-meaning public as a whole - or the citizens individually for their actions taking place in the real world - based on fake information fed to them through their media.
Although it appears that todays U.S. military is corrupt - it was not always that way - example - Smedley Butler -
We all do our best based on the information available. Jesse has new facts - so he is acting on those new facts:
Here's something you may wish to consider:
"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?
Reply to a criticism during the Great Depression of having changed his position on monetary policy, as quoted in Lost Prophets: An Insider's History of the Modern Economists (1994) by Alfred L. Malabre, p. 220"
from:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes
If Jesse had known then what he knows now, would he have gone to Vietnam? Probably not. He joined and served in ignorance, as most do. Thought he was doing the right thing and was willing to put his life on the line.
ReplyDeleteA question might be, who knows more about the ins and outs of things, a reformed whore or a celibate priest?
joey, deborah medina referred to 9-11 truthers as "disgusting." that means she isn't fit for any office, anywhere period. she's just another garbage politician.
ReplyDeletejack, you say "Why does service in the U.S. military automatically mean anything? Judge the man by his actions." Did it ever occur to you that joining the military is an action?
jack, you say "persons serving in the U.S. military have done great things for many people. I know because I was told that by people in Europe who felt that America had saved them."
putting aside for a moment the fact that WWII was setup by the same bankers who just stole trillions of dollars from us, i have to wonder, did you ask any vietnamese what they thought of the slaughter of THREE MILLION of their people? did you ask the el salvadoreans if they thought it was really nifty that the USA bombed 250,000 peasants into ashes? did you ask any cambodians what they thought of the US support of the khmer rouge and pol pot?
as for your example of smedly butler, it would appear you have not read the words the man actually wrote. he openly admitted that he invaded lands full of innocent people in order to make rich men richer and not for any other reason.
i would be fine with jesse ventura if he had the guts to stand up and say "i was part of a criminal child rape gang called the US military, and i am totally ashamed of it. furthermore i held political office in the USA and lied to my own people about how the my own government was conducted - that was 100% wrong. the new world order is inherently evil, and i was wrong about thinking of them as a form a benevolent evolution."
you see, everyone is allowed to be wrong. but after they are wrong, they have to admit it and be sincerely contrite. and i just dont see ANY of that coming from jesse ventura.
Listen, Joey, it's way past too late to be "trying" and "making an effort." Ventura is now onboard because the tide has turned thanks to the truly significant efforts made by Dr. David Ray Griffin, Richard Gage, Dr. Steven E. Jones, Dylan Avery etc.
ReplyDeleteAside from being in the military, Ventura was a pro-wrestler, a politician and he's a tv "personality." To borrow and expression from that grotesque American distraction called baseball, "Three (in his case, four, five...) strikes, you're out!"
Hi JackRabbit: Why should military service automatically mean anything? Because folks, like Ventura, keep braying on and on about it; hence, it must mean something to them which they fervently wish to transmit to the rest of us non-military types.
To Anonymous: "If Jesse had known then what he knows now, would he have gone to Vietnam?" Well, maybe not. However, the information WAS available even then. Didn't Jesse notice people burning their draft cards and demonstrating against the war? Did he not get the memo re. the Kent State massacre? Perhaps he was too busy conducting his own "war effort" massacres?
Best Regards to all,
babette
911=USrael
Anon says: "jack, you say "Why does service in the U.S. military automatically mean anything? Judge the man by his actions." Did it ever occur to you that joining the military is an action?"
ReplyDeleteJR says: Yes. All males in my family, except for me went into the US military - they felt they would serve their country - and that their leaders would never send them to a war of aggression based on lies based on torture. Some still cannot fathom that. Condemning a person who served in Viet Nam is foolish - most had no concept of the big picture - or what they were getting themselves into. But in the military one must follow orders.
Anon says:
"jack, you say "persons serving in the U.S. military have done great things for many people. I know because I was told that by people in Europe who felt that America had saved them."
JR says:
Please read my defense on this topic previously "what do you do sir" The internet has made information available to the American public that was no available before. For example - the video I posted - banking with hitler - is based on a book "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler" which was handed from person to person in this country - by Americans - veterans I knew - who were flabbergasted with the information - but couldn't get anyone to look at it - or to see it on TV - but the internet made the information available in a format people can understand - especially those who can't read.
Anon says:"as for your example of smedly butler, it would appear you have not read the words the man actually wrote. he openly admitted that he invaded lands full of innocent people in order to make rich men richer and not for any other reason."
JR says:
I have read some of the words the man wrote - perhaps not every one ever. But again - once he understood what was going on he stepped up at a critical time to stop it. He also supported veterans - so maybe you are in need of further study.
Thank you for commenting.
I'll take positive action toward enlightening the public over an apology any day - apologies are important - but they would do ZERO toward awakening a soporific American electorate.
I support Jesse Ventura despite your criticisms.
Anonymous above who said, "putting aside for a moment the fact that WWII." Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.
ReplyDeleteThanks,
babette
911=USrael
For those who blindly beat up the US military for all of history - I have a question for you...
ReplyDeleteHave you ever been betrayed? Because if you don't know betrayal you are incapable of understanding the situation most members of the American Armed Forces are in RIGHT NOW.
This is a Republic - and there are domestic enemies - it is not for the military to face that fact - it is for the American public to hold their representatives' feet to the fire and make them fix our misguided path.
JR
Joey: I've said this before - you don't know other people's circumstances with the fake name stuff. Ben Franklin did it to continue his effort - look up Gadsden Flag and his writings to the Gazette under what historians believe was a fake name. Was he a coward? he was the guy that told everybody they'd better hang together or surely hang separately.
ReplyDeleteAlso - Benjamin Rush hadda' keep his name quiet after his biz went downhill after speaking up too much - then he supported and worked with the talented Thomas Paine - after Rush helped restore Paine's health - and worked on Common Sense with Paine. Rush may have named that great work. Again - nobody can get anything done in this world without backing - and backers and doers all have to do what they can- without committing suicide in the process.
Hi JR,
ReplyDelete"Condemning a person who served in Viet Nam is foolish - most had no concept of the big picture - or what they were getting themselves into."
we were in the street each and every day telling them. they chose to who listen and chose their course of action. everyone makes choices; everyone lives and dies by them. hiding behind "oh i was brainwashed" defense is pure cowardice. do you think those vietnamese (and now iraqi) families who have violent gangs of US-uniformed thugs raping their daughters think about how brainwashed US solider are? do you think they get a pass because their government is evil and they are too mush-brained to understand that raping children and torching villages is wrong behavior?
"But in the military one must follow orders."
WRONG! you are supposed to follow LEGAL orders ONLY. so far, only a very few members of the military (such as the hero Hasan Akbar, as well as Ehren Watada) have had the courage to actually stand up and refuse to follow illegal orders. since the actions in iraq and afghanistan are illegal under both US and international law, soldiers following those orders are not only breaking the law, but breaking their oaths to the constitution.
i do understand the notion of WWII soldiers not being fully informed. what is not tolerable is listening to WWII vets and their supporters talk about the war as if it had anything to do with anything even remotely honororable. it was a scam perpretrated by your own leaders in which millions of innocent people died. and what did these vets do? well, they just came home and kept voting for the same filthy murderers over and over and over again. all these people ever did is listen to and belive in lies - and for this we are supposed to respect them? i don't think so.
"once [Smedley Butler] understood what was going on he stepped up at a critical time to stop it."
no. he stepped up when his beloved USA was in danger. he kept his mouth shut when the victims were poor, brown foreigners and he just right on killing them without any remorse whatsoever. sure, he told a bit of truth later on, but he was never contrite about his service and he certainly never brought any of his victims back to life.
"I support Jesse Ventura despite your criticisms."
i'm glad that word about 9/11 truth is getting out no matter who the messenger is. i simply do not trust a person who has been a member of the world's most vicious mafia and is PROUD of it. i'm afraid that many will listen to ventura, but ventura won't cross certain lines of truth (*cough*israel*cough*nwo worship*cough*) and thus his followers will be misled.
"Have you ever been betrayed? Because if you don't know betrayal you are incapable of understanding the situation most members of the American Armed Forces are in RIGHT NOW."
Crocodile tears. Tell your family and your buddies to start shooting their officers or at the very least to start refusing all their orders. Until then, all you are doing is killing innocent people and then whining about how your own government 'brainwashed' you into doing it. There's a term for that: sociopathic serial killers.
(thanks for your comment babette)
I'm glad you knew Smedley so well. You were in the street telling everyone except the Viet Nam veterans I know personally. They didn't know.
ReplyDelete..and when one doesn't know the truth - how can they discern an illegal order from a legal one?
My father was in the Navy in the fifties.
My brother was in the Navy in the 80s
My other brother Army 90's
Your words are not applicable.
YOU go to a person who has just been lied to and believes their government because they are eighteen and cannot fathom such treachery - and is on their way to a war - and try to get through to them - folly.
I guess if the rest of the world were as grown up as you when they were eighteen we wouldn't have any problems.
For the rest of us - we'll just have to keep trying to live up to your standards - and I for one won't quit.
...and how do you account for the Vietnam vets who came home and led the protests? Or the veterans against the war now?
ReplyDeleteDiscrimination would help your case.
...and how do you answer for the failure of your generation to fix this problem as a civilian - leaving it to my generation if you had all the answers back then?
ReplyDelete...and how will any country defend itself without some form of defense apparatus?
ReplyDelete"YOU go to a person who has just been lied to and believes their government because they are eighteen and cannot fathom such treachery - and is on their way to a war - and try to get through to them - folly."
ReplyDeleteBeen there, done that. When my brother informed me he wanted to join your family's gang, I told him he was free to do that, but that he needed to realize that he'd be without a brother if he did. No brother of mine is going to join a child rape gang and still be my brother. I still have a brother, btw, and your family's death squad has one less member because of it.
I do understand that 18 year olds are not the best at discerning things. The problem is that the arguments you and other patriots promulgate puts their reckless naivety on par with the lives and well being of millions of innocent people, and they simply are not.
You speak of "fathoming treachery." Can you imagine sitting at home, having a bunch of men arrive at your door; having them rape your 14 year old daughter in front of you, shoot your family, and burn down your house? (Don't tell me it didn't happen, because it did. Don't tell me it's an isolated incident - it is the history of occupation - period.)
And when you press for justice, and the judge tells you "they were just brainwashed teenagers" would the word TREACHERY ever come to your mind?
If an 18 year old raped and murdered your next door neighbor, you would not spend one second telling me he was brainwashed by this or by that; you'd be screaming for justice. Hell, in Texas they even execute mentally retarded minors for pete's sake! But put the same teen in Iraq, and then no crime is too grave - afterall they were merely 'brainwashed...'
Iraqis and Afghans are HUMAN BEINGS whether you like it or not. And there is NO excuse for murdering them. Americans, on the other hand, appear less and less human with every passing moment. In fact, I can't think of a single thing Americans should be proud of at this point, all of their minor accomplishments having been totally overshadowed by the vicious bloodlust you have as a society.
Since you brought it up I will address it. If you rob a bank and I drive the getaway car, am I culpable? What was your father doing while the US military was slaughtering two million korean based on lies? WHat was your brother doing while the US military was carpet bombing el salvador and waging illegal war against nicaragua? What was your other brother doing while the US was fabricating stories about baby incubators and shooting Iraqi soldiers in the back while ONE AND A HALF MILLION Iraqis were being killed by the sanctions his military was enforcing? Don't tell me they weren't rapists because it doesn't matter one bit whether they did the deed, drove the getaway car, or peeled the damn potatoes. They joined of their own free will. The people they killed are DEAD. They should ask their filthy god for forgiveness, 'cuz we have ZERO reason to give it to them while they still hide behind their uniform, their ugly flag, or some sob story about "brainwashing."
jack rabbit,
ReplyDeletelet's say, for the sake of arguement, that your family members didnot know the facts or what is right / wrong when they chose to participate in state terrorism and colonialist crimes against humanity.
have they since then realized what they have done? have they publicly admitted the cfriminal nature of the institution(s) they chose to participate? have they done everything humanly possible to correct the wrong done by themselves and in their own name?
not that i am perfect. i am probably barely everage in that i haven't lived up to my own standards. at least, i don't expect respect from others for my sub-standard life. i know i deserve what i get.
anon says:
ReplyDelete"let's say, for the sake of arguement, that your family members didnot know the facts or what is right / wrong when they chose to participate in state terrorism and colonialist crimes against humanity."
JR says
NO
Better premise pulleez. You are spanning over half a century with a general statement that isn't close to the truth - because I doubt you yourself know what the truth is.
ReplyDeleteThe fact is that your efforts to fix things failed - as is obvious from the state of affairs today - which we both agree on.
Perhaps some of us have better ideas since yours didn't work. And beating up on the military - including those trying to fix things hasn't worked for you. So I'll try something different - especially since I think it's a dead end and purely wrong.
Civilians are in charge of the military in the United States and civilians are to blame for the actions of the military supposedly under civilian control.
JR
"...and how do you account for the Vietnam vets who came home and led the protests? Or the veterans against the war now?"
ReplyDeleteas i said, if you admit you are wrong and show HONEST, SINCERE contrition, it's a different story. jesse ventura doesnt do that.
"...and how do you answer for the failure of your generation to fix this problem as a civilian - leaving it to my generation if you had all the answers back then?"
if your dad had listened, we wouldn't be having this issue. same goes for today. put down your guns, zip up your pants. stop raping children. stop killing innocent people. do it NOW. no more excuses. STOP IT. NOW. If you want to shoot someone, aim at the officers who are giving you ILLEGAL ORDERS.
we're here NOW. telling you RIGHT NOW that what you are doing is WRONG. make your choices, but dont cry and tell me you were 'brainwashed' when i was there the whole time, telling you the truth.
"...and how will any country defend itself without some form of defense apparatus?"
excuse me? what DEFENSE are you talking about? it was DEFENSE when you were illegally bombing yugoslavia and stealing the targ lignite mine? it was DEFENSE when you murdered 3000 innocent panamanians in order to jail your own renegade cia agent? it was DEFENSE when you purposefully let the japanese bomb pearl harbor? it was DEFENSE when you flew planes into your own buildings?
the US military is not involved in DEFENSE. it's a child rape gang that works to ensure that wicked rich old men remain rich, and that the system that put them there remains entrenched. stop making excuses for these lowlives and take just one second of your precious american life to ponder what it would be like to be on the receiving end of your "DEFENSE."
JR, you are trying to make a very silly and childish generational argument. I'm not one of those selfish hedonistic hippies that you have had planted in your mind by endless US propaganda.
ReplyDeleteThe 60s generation most certainly did fail. They pompously walk around saying 'we ended that war' but in fact it was the heroic actions of the vietnamese people that ended the war - BY KILLING EVERY US SOLDIER THEY COULD GET THEIR HANDS ON.
They are extremely ugly and obsessively self-centered, but certainly no more or no less than any US soldier who tries to hide behind being 'brainwashed' while still having pride in his service.
"Civilians are in charge of the military in the United States and civilians are to blame for the actions of the military supposedly under civilian control."
i am sure most of your readers can see the folly in this statement. you obviously don't belive it yourself, saying on hand hand that a certain class has a power and then turning around and saying that it 'supposedly' has the power.
even so, i agree with you. it is incumbent on the people of the USA to stop the illegal wars by any means necessary. as a matter of fact, the Constitution (a document i would think patriots would be somewhat interested in following) says in article vi that stopping the wars is a law even higher than the constitution itself.
so much for that oath your family members took. do they even read the Constitution? or are they too busy helping their brothers-in-arms murder and rape 100% innocent people?
It is I who thank you, Anonymous, and thank you very much. It's enervating trying to get through to them, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteWhat's insane is that most 18 year olds join up 'cause they come from indoctrinated families, families where one or more have proudly suited up and marched off to kill invented "enemies" somewhere on the planet. An inheritance of sorts, a form of generational insanity, handed down father to son and now daughter. Women who join the military/cops are an abomination, but that's a whole n'other topic.
Nevertheless, there is reason to rejoice, since "grunts" have been (still are) used as guinea pigs in vaccine/drug experiments and in nuclear tests (in the past)and depleted uranium weapons fallout (now) and so on.
JR:
"Civilians are in charge of the military in the United States and civilians are to blame for the actions of the military supposedly under civilian control."
If that isn't THE most monstrous, repugnant LIE ever told, then I don't know what is!
Remember this: The only military to drop nukes on civilian populations is the US military. Let them apologize for that, why don't they. Never mind, it's unpardonable.
Take a peek at "Would US Troops Fire on Americans? Have No Doubt America...By M. Ernest Smith.
Best Regards,
babette
911=USrael
"Nevertheless, there is reason to rejoice, since "grunts" have been (still are) used as guinea pigs in vaccine/drug experiments.."
ReplyDelete----------------
First of all, "grunts" in the U.S. military, by their widespread insolence and their fragging of Officers, were responsible for bringing a very belated end to the war against the Vietnamese.
It was not the media.
It was not the musicians.
It was not the students or the hippies.
It was the "grunts."
http://home.mweb.co.za/re/redcap/vietcrim.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/fragging
quote:
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There were approximately 830 actual and suspected fraggings in Vietnam, with the annual number peaking at 333 in 1971. Fragging declined significantly in 1972 as American troops were withdrawn.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Z3Y7AYiNY
(Fragging the Lieutenant)
Secondly, the intentional destruction of health by medical experiments and radiation that you detail and celebrate, sent down by the psychopathic liars in government upon mere "grunts," would not be something that anyone with a mote of ethics could "rejoice" about.
Babette: I hate military offense forces, but was disgusted by your schadenfreude.
Aljazeera is a fake zionist fake opposition shell
ReplyDeletealjazeera pushes the idea that bin ladin did 9/11
aljazeera acts like a spokeperson to so and so alqaeda
when Chris Bollyn tried to present his work to aljazeera , they told him to take a hike ?
why is that ? because aljazeera as a zionist shell
wants the story that bin ladin did it
no ventura thinks that 9/11 was done by the US government and now aljazeera gives him platform to talk ?
what does that tell us ? it tell us that Bollyn
speculation that 9/11 was carried by the zionist israeli mossad is right on
and jesse ventura is acting like a shell by deflecting attention away from the zionists into
US government and cia , and aljazeera is dancing to the tunes
I do not trust aljazeera , nor do i trust ventura , and if he starts mentioning the jewish connection to 9/11 , every body will drop him off
anon says: "if your dad had listened, we wouldn't be having this issue. same goes for today. put down your guns, zip up your pants. stop raping children. stop killing innocent people. do it NOW. no more excuses. STOP IT. NOW. If you want to shoot someone, aim at the officers who are giving you ILLEGAL ORDERS."
ReplyDeleteJR says:
He did listen hence his actions. What are you talking about?
What illegal orders was he following? Be specific. And not knowing the bigger picture on what basis would he decide whether or not the orders were illegal? Be specific.
Please, be specific.
Contrition.
Well my commenting friends - I suppose we can solve all the worlds problems - uhm..... how? By condemning people for....
ReplyDeletePeople are living lies every day they go to work in this country - not just the military. Eveywhere at every time - that shouldn't be news to you.
Crying about AlJazeera doesn't detract from what Jesse said - or from the fact that the interview was done in a fair manner.
I suppose y'all would prefer a shouting match on O'reilly or listen to that gentleman Glenn "Shoot him in the head Beck" cry and obfuscate the truth by attacking the messenger.
I'm not hearing a lot of clear thinking from you folks - but that's ok. As we all mature things get better. I suppose I have a long way to go - but I've never got anywhere listening to the naysayers and discouragers or the haters or the name-callers or those bitching because a guy was in the navy once and is trying to get the truth out there.
Like I said - you failed - you knew ( I know you knew because you told me) - you didn't get the job done and we are still in a huge mess and people are being killed still.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way. In my opinion you had your chance leading and it didn't work, that leaves by process of elimination, following and getting out of the way.
Pick one.
"Ventura is now onboard because the tide has turned thanks to the truly significant efforts made by Dr. David Ray Griffin, Richard Gage, Dr. Steven E. Jones, DYLAN AVERY etc".
ReplyDeleteHow can a guy like Dylan Avery put out 3 or 4 very informative movies highlighting the "Inside Job" and yet not once in hours and hours of footage mention the massive role of Israeli nationals in the plot!!?
How is this possible to fail to mention the critical fact that all airports in the Mossad air show were secured by an Israeli company!??
What about the Mossad dance troupe that was arrested by the FBI filming the event??
What about the Israeli owned messaging service whose members received warnings about the attacks a full 2 hours beforehand???
How can you ignore these facts and retain any credibility??
Release the footage the FBI captured off the Mossad agents in NJ and we will have our perps!!!
Here's another for the anti-Jesse Ventura people on 911:
ReplyDelete"Blowback" by Chalmers Johnson - look at recent rabit rabbit rant video at bottom - and also watch the "Fact Check Jesse Ventura" post on several posts down with Larry King where Jesse talks about the CIA and friends using drug money to get around the control of the purse strings of Congress for all of their military adventures.
That is why you cannot condemn all Americans for actions done on their behalf by people who have escaped accountablility and the system. Jesse is addressing THE EXACT POINT you are complaining about - Rogue US government agencies and military factions committing acts out of line with the interests and values of Americans and our friends abroad - without the knowledge of those who are supposed to be in control. The very secret nature of these acts - and the illicit financing of these acts is the problem - since the people cannot control something kept secret from them, and financed outside the system they have control over. Hence the "Blowback" you are hitting American soldiers and Americans in general with.
Please see those previous posts and the videos in them.
We can only act upon what we perceive as reality - and with a completely corrupt Corporamerikan Propascamda apparatus performing their dastardly disservice - it is wiser, in my opinion to fix that problem first.
Jesse Ventura in my opinion is playing in the same poker game as the rest of us - and I think he's playing his part and his hand magnificently - toward a goal that in the end you, he and I would probably all be content with
Truth today is like a swollen body of water behind a dam - we clear the spillway and let the water through. Dynamiting the dam is not going to help anybody.
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The military conducts experiments on their own country's benighted population, so no tears wept over the retards who sign up.
ReplyDeleteI may indeed be bereft of ethics when it comes to the US military, but are you saying nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki UNDER FALSE PRETENSES was ethical?! And the military torture their captives BECAUSE THEY ARE TOLD TO, ethical? It's always ethical when the US military/America does it, right?
Well, young Mr. Avery's extremely popular documentary enlightened a good many. As I'm sure you've noticed the Israeli connection is rarely, if ever, mentioned. Ventura will NEVER mention Mossad! Though if he manages to awaken a few more of the walking dead, it's all good.
Anon told us how to "change the world," JR and it's not up to us, fella, it's up to those sadistic morons/"boots on the ground" to say "Enough!" Oh! That's right, the poor little lambs still don't have the information.
Pray tell, JR, how do you propose we re-take control of the military? This I gotta hear.
Best Regards,
babette
911=USrael
Take away their funding:
ReplyDeleteHere's a feeble attempt I've made in the past to bring some light to this issue - but there's no money in taking away a war-mongers money - so it's time for some statesmen to walk tall (no cupidity allowed) and for some people to support and protect those statesmen from the attacks that are positively sure to follow. Without support and protection forget about progress.
I think we should all rally around enforcement of the Bill of Rights for all - that means every human being - the only one's I can see opposing that are wannabee dictators and the criminally minded.
JR
Money can and is being printed in obscene amounts. The regular soldier is fed etc. by his capos.
ReplyDelete"Statesmen walking tall"? Is that a line from Avatar? Alice in Wonderland?
Military capos have been promised grand posts in the Fourth Reich and nobody, certainly no single statesman, regardless of his ambulatory style, will impede them.
Nikita Khrushchev's speech before the U.N.,"America will fall without a shot being fired. It will fall from within." He nailed it.
Americans are better armed than some armies and yet...beer,burgers,baseball. Whereas Greece? Iceland "Rage, rage against the dying of the light."
Your own precious military will wipe you out.
Sorry.
Best Regards,
babette
911=USrael
Rand: "A Stability Police Force for the United States"
ReplyDeleteQuote: "Security requires a mix of military and police forces to deal with a range of threats from insurgents to criminal organizations."
Who might those insurgents be, do you think? As for the "criminal organizations" we know who they are -- the ones in uniform.
Good Luck all!
b
911=USrael
WHY DONT YOU POINT OUT ISRAEL AND MOSSAD JESS SHIT VENTURA? YOU R NOTHING BUT A FRAUD LIKE THE REST. US IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11 BUT THEY WERE NOT ALONE. ISRAEL NEEDS TO PAY FOR WHAT THEY DID.
ReplyDeleteI didn't see Avatar - you may wish to save that one for people, like you, who base their perception of reality on movies.
ReplyDeleteAlice in Wonderland? No - wrong again - and as usual.
FYI: I made it up.
Try the same - throw off the hatred and start anew - but like I said - if you had your chance to lead and failed - either follow or get out of the way. That is one thing for sure about America - whether dealing with the honest or the dishonest - lead , follow, or get out of the way.
And if you can lead with hate - go for it. I've got my own ideas - and as a hater you'll have to join the other side.
JR
Oh by the way:
ReplyDeleteTo sayer of:"You speak of "fathoming treachery." Can you imagine sitting at home, having a bunch of men arrive at your door; having them rape your 14 year old daughter in front of you, shoot your family, and burn down your house? (Don't tell me it didn't happen, because it did. Don't tell me it's an isolated incident - it is the history of occupation - period.)"
JR says:
Who BETRAYED you? Me? America? or was it your own self or your own government? In who's hands were the lives that were taken?
Were those lives my responsibility? In America we have a RIGHT to BEAR ARMS because all the cops do is show up to bag'em and tag'em - we all know that. YOU are responsible for the safety of yourself and your family. I guess owning a firearm is "crazy" until they kick the door down and start raping the girls.
I fight for the Bill of Rights.
JR
I didn't see Avatar, JR. I don't buy/consume anything USraelian if I can help it. I was being fascetious.
ReplyDeleteThe American psyche remains a conundrum.
Adieu!
b
911=USrael
Thank you for your time and for participating.
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