Was the "Greatest Generation" wrong for killing the NAZIs?


I saw a joke reading comments on gun videos:  "So....three NAZIs walk into a B.A.R......"

The joke is that a BAR is a Browning Automatic Rifle.  That's one of the tools the "greatest generation" used to wipe out the NAZIs.  Here's one below:

Each of those shots is 30.06 caliber.  The weapon had a box magazine of 20 rounds.  One of those shots will kill you, a burst from the weapon - toast.

Why did the "greatest generation" use weapons like the BAR to kill NAZIs?  I'm starting to wonder if the history books and people I knew as a kid who participated in the conflict might have had a problem with self-control or something?  Why?

Americans of the "greatest generation" refused to tolerate NAZIs.  In fact, when the "greatest generation" noticed uniformed jack-booted thugs, bullies, miscreants, thieves, liars, child-molesters and murderers behaving badly - they built the Jeep, the P-51 Mustang, the M1 Garand, the BAR and then promptly used them to shoot the shit out of those "ver are your papers" smartasses.  

Fast forward - today - Americans of the "___________ generation" (what will they call US?) seem able to tolerate NAZIs quite well.  They can stand in line at the airport, on a bus, on the side of the highway and observe while their dog is shot-gunned to death for wagging its tail.  They bury the dog, try to comfort the kids - and say a prayer hoping the thugs that did this to them will get well soon.  

They will "get mad" when TSA people take their little princess behind closed doors and ..... hey I'm not sure what they are doing back there - I wasn't there and I haven't seen any footage.  Here's an example of NAZIs run amok in America:

"'When my scared child could not do so, two TSOs called for backup saying, "The suspect is not cooperating." The suspect, of course, being a frightened child. They treated my daughter no better than if she had been a terrorist.'"

Here's the "suspect" from the above article:

Full body pat-down or  Hey little girl want some candy?  SICK


C'mon - really?  This is SICK.

I know this is a terrible thing to say - but isn't it reasonable to conclude that if you like putting your hands on other people's children behind closed doors that the best place to get a job is with the TSA?  That's a no-brainer.  They murder child molesters in prison you know.  But here in the "civilized world" we watch them molest the kids right in front of us.  What does that say about our justice system -that there really is a more just system of crime and punishment in a prison than at an airport in the US?

I am glad that so many people are waking up in such vast numbers - that the mother  - instead of resorting to picking up a BAR and doing what the "greatest generation" would have done - used the peaceful process of communication to get the word out about the SICK incident.

I am so glad that we still have our first amendment right - not that it can be taken away - but that I am still able to exercise it without having been shot yet - good news - because presently there is no need for violence - as long as I can do battle on the field of facts, ideas, right, justice - what is good and right and just are obvious to us all.  I mean ALL of us - a universal statement.  How can I make such a statement that we ALL KNOW what is right or wrong, just or unjust, liberty or slavery?  Easy - just experience the force of law as applied to you or your kids - you'll figure it out fast.

If you are a TSA employee - do you want somebody feeling your kids' or wives' genitals?  Or say - a Judge in Virginia - do you go to the airport and stand there while they feel your kids and wife up?  How about Cass Sunstein - does he want to have a SWAT team kick his door down, kill his chihuahua, slap his kids around - then leave 'cause they went to the wrong house?  How about Michael Cherthoff - you know - Mr. Airport Scanner - does he go to the airport and take a radiation shower with the rest of the inmates?  

The great awakening is bringing forth new ideas -  the power of mass communictions in the hands of WE the People -continues to surround, divide and conquer the power-hungry megalomaniacs that have pushed us this far toward dictatorship.

I am very proud of our Virginia state representatives that passed a law - positive action - that they will not allow state anybody to assist with NDAA.  A commenter pointed out that they didn't go far enough - stating that they will use force to protect their citizens rights from anyone attempting to use force to deny their citizens their rights.  I agree - but something tells me - that as events are accelerating geometrically - as these representatives have already waken up - their ability to see with their newly corrected vision - will rapidly take hold - just like the rest of us who are already there.

Once a person can see clearly at least one big injustice - however that happens - the rest move from out-of-range to arm's length immediately.  Once a person realizes they have been lied to about one subject - something they just wouldn't consider before - but now know for a FACT that they were lied to - it brings into question EVERYTHING - their powers of critical thought advanced from a dull butter knife to a honed razor - keen for more truth-light - eager to slash the dark curtain they can now not only see - but have the means to slice through to more light. 

There is no question - that this awakening is hitting that critical-mass - it can not be stopped now.


The "greatest generation" - and our generation both have that "ace in the hole" known as the second amendment.  Both have no real desire to ever use it.  But there it is - like a line-backer friend standing behind you - as you are just about to be slugged by a bully - then all of a sudden - the bully decides he'd better not take the chance.

We the People are being bullied, Tazered, taxed, robbed by the Federal Reserve, and pushed into a corner by a goon-squad of unprofessional and justice-system backed liberty-theives.  On the battlefield of ideas - via the exercise of freedom of speech - they are losing.

We the People are pointing out the hypocrisy of the holy ones - the absurdity, for example, of nuking Iran to prevent a nuclear war.  Who's idea was that?  Lock that nut up in a rubber room!

We the People are pointing out that our own Justice Department has been caught selling guns to drug-dealers - and those guns were in turn used to murder innocent Mexicans and at least one US Border agent.  Who's idea was that?  Lock that nut up in a rubber room!

We the People have been lied to about the Iraq war - no WMD - just devastated the place and the people - for nothing - and are successfully preventing a repeat performance in Iran - pointing out that we are watching a re-run made-for-TV propaganda film with no basis in fact. 

We the People are sounding the alarm that our own government may stage yet another false-flag attack to stampede the US population into another panicked state - starting WW3 - a war that has been in the planning for years.

We the People will stop the Tyranny - as long as we exercise our freedom of speech and allow our creative powers to use every means available to prompt action from those in our system with the responsibility and power to act now to stop these psychopathic warmongers.

The future is bright - the judges will choose to lock up the corrupt cops who like to murder for fun.  The judges will lock up the crooks on Wall Street who have pillaged.  The cops will police themselves and eject the evil-minded and violent thugs from their ranks - such qualities will be shunned not rewarded.

Our military will remember their true purpose - their real reason for being - and stop biting the hand that feeds them.  They will ask themselves why these words appear on this patch - but the people signing their paycheck are oppressed?


The Greatest Generation was right for killing the NAZIs - it got to that point.  Hopefully we can convince those in power in the United States to do their damned jobs so we don't get to that point again.



The Duty Of The Military In A Militarized Empire

---------UPDATE APRIL 26, 2012 - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/04/tsa-screeners-drug-arrest.html       CLICK HERE


  1. Any luck getting rid of the TSA with your 1st amendment rights so far?

    Once everyone is "Awake", what then? Will they all join hands and sing gumbya?

    1. As the critical mass begins the chain-reaction - those in power will be forced to not only acknowledge the heinous crimes commited against the public - they will ACT to imprison and punish the law-breakers - because then they will know that they have the support they need to defy the bad guys that have, until now, maintained a monopoly of media, public opinion, and power.

      It is inevitable, ineluctable and is happening right now at a geometric rate.

      The bad guys' days are numbered.

    2. Or Gumboya, jambalyayiah? The illusion of comfort is a difficult illusion to shatter, and the need to shatter it is ever-evident, every day, ever present.

      I have read (and experienced) that there are three kinds of folk....one I call mouth breathers, some call blissfully unaware.

      The next I call the "Cult of self-medicated." Be it by faith, extreme sports, the newest gadgets, pills or bottles, crystals or Moonbeams, they alter, in increments, what they choose to face.

      Then there are those who recognize conscious evolution, folks who see behind the curtain, who maintain at all odds their ability to think critically, honestly and fairly.

      What's a Gumby to do, dear Dog, what's a Gumby to do?

    3. Thank you Friday for your insightful comment.

      I think there is only one thing for a Gumby to do....keep at it...

    4. When the 1st amendment fails you move to plan B (2nd amendment). The 1st amendemnt has failed.

  2. Pretty lame and ignorant excuse for American atrocities against people who did nothing to us but got invaded anyway. Sound familiar? You need to grow up and stop repeating US government lies that justify our wars of annihilation of people the Jews want us to destroy.

    1. What about Warsaw? Huh? Do you think the NAZIs were handing out chocolate bars when they used false flag attacks to foment violence against that country back in WW2?

      Leningrad - Stalingrad - it goes on and on. They were taught to consider the Russian people animals - and that's how they treated them.

      The three army groups, North, Center, and South were unleashed against the Russians for a land grab. Don't you think that's a bit selfish on the part of the NAZIs?

      I find it statistically unlikely that "All Jews" want us to destroy this or that - in fact - most of them want peace - because they are people - and that's what people everywhere want - and that is what America is supposed to stand for by setting and example here at home - and serving as the gold standard of what is good and right in this world.

      I admit - I have not and probably will never "grow up" because each day reveals new challenges and mysteries that keep me trying to put it all together.

      But I appreciate your patience in reading what I can offer to the debate - this war for freedom and enlightenment - and hope you will join us to make this a better place than we found it.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

    2. “They”
      Near all the wars since the French Revolution have been instigated by “they”.
      Today “they” are the largest and principle propagators of motion picture violence, homosexuality, feminism, pornography, anti-gun legislation, climate warming, sterilization, euthanasia, and hate laws that limit or outlaw free speech.
      “They” were expelled from near every country in Europe after they were found to have raped the countries from which they acquired their wealth, undermined the governments and sold their host country to their enemies.
      Over the last 100 years, and especially the last 50 years, near 100% of all spies who have undermined and sold out the interest of the people of the United States have been “they”.
      “They” chair nearly every committee in the US House and Senate, “they” chair and control near all banks and media throughout the western world, and “they” comprise the vast majority of government appointed Czars and Advisors.
      “They” are now in the process of operating the greatest theft of wealth in history from governments and its peoples into the hands of bankers and speculators. “They” currently comprise between 25-75 % of the Obama Administration, near all important positions in secondary government entities, the judicial branch, and in finance near 100% .
      “They” instigated the French Revolution, The Russian Revolution (and brag that of the 502 Communist Officials of that government, “they comprised a total of 458 of those officials.
      General Smedly Butler wrote in his book “War is a Racket” that all the wars were instigated by “they” bankers for the benefit of “they”bankers. General Chesty Puller said the same thing. General Patton as he wrote in his memoirs before being eliminated from exposing the tragedy, had come to the realization by the end of WWII that the war had been instigated primarily by ‘they’.
      “They” in their holy books teach that “they” are to work towards a “One World Judeo/Freemasonic Dictatorship” where “they” will become the sole rulers and masters of all mankind.
      “They” are the Jews.

    3. What all of them? All Jews? There's not just maybe....one....that isn't trying to take my rights away like non-Jewish judges, non-Jewish TSA NAZIs, non-Jewish police who Taze and beat people to death for trying to see their kid, non-Jewish public officials who sit there with their mouth hanging open while our Feds pretend they have the "right" to murder you? Yes YOU anon. Or don't you care about non-Jewish filth that claims they have the right to murder you?

      Or is it OK for your government to feel your nuts at the airport, anonymous, as long as they are not Jewish?

      I disagree with your reasoning.

    4. really? that's what your defense is?

      why did i waste my time consuming your ignorance

  3. Endless, historical wars for zioni$ts, yet another violation of our rights. The gov’t constantly violates our rights.

    They violate the 1st Amendment by caging protesters and banning books like "America Deceived II".

    They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by allowing TSA to grope you.

    They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars.

    Impeach Obama, support Ron Paul.

    Last link of "America Deceived II" before it is completely banned:


    1. I agree that the Zionist agenda is contrary to the end-game we liberty-lovers and Patriots are fighting to achieve.

      Peaceful change is the high road - and requires one to stick to their principles - resisting the urge to morph into a shape which ultimately manifests itself to make us a perfect duplicate of our enemy.

      Peaceful revolution - the frustration - the work - the time - the slow steady pace of change requires laser-like focus and endless persistence on the part of We the People.

      Jefferson: Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty - (or something like that)

  4. "Americans" are the whipped grovelling dogs of the Jew and will do whatever they are ordered. Whether going across the oceans to kill NAZIs in the past or them evil Moooslems today. Degradation, such as letting their women and children being TSA groped, comes naturally to them. Hardly even a whimper. Every Amerikan generation is the "greatest", err.. when We The Sheeple are obedient to the Jews. If you can not even identify or name your real enemy, than defeat and slavery are most certain.

    1. ...but I am an American and I am not a whipped groveling dog of anyone - and refuse to become a slave.

      Grouping all "Jews" as the next boogieman is falling into the same trap as hating Muslims, Mexicans, Blacks, Whites or Elephants.

      It is faulty reasoning and can only lead to a faulty conclusion.

      Liberty and Justice for ALL - the rule of Law - where no one is above the law - must be restored first -

      Then we rebuild......

  5. Are these 'Nazis' the ones who have a Marxist, Negroid president who is on the payroll of International Jewry?

    By the time you gormless yanks realise you are up against the same scum that the Nazis tried to destroy, it will be too late! You picked the wrong side and now you are going to pay. America will end up in a worse state than what they did in the USSR.

    'If organized Jewry should ever get a foothold in America, either financial or political, a nation with such vast resources but such little intellect. It will end up resembling a stricken child with elephantitis, a mushroom nation, destroyed, before it has even reached full maturity'

    Chancellor Hitler.

    1. Unless a time machine is available - it is a waste of energy to try to fix what WW2 was now - we should, however, now that we have the ability to examine and learn from history - that the international bankers finance both sides of wars - see the link left of this page for amazing video on this subject - "Bankers finance both sides in war" - there's a picture there....

      We have to come together to see clearly that they are enslaving us through debt, dividing us by fanning the flames of racism to divide us - all that -

      We have to remain on target and define our common enemy -

      And by pressuring those in positions of power who have the duty of their office to restore the rule of law - we will have taken that first and most difficult step toward fixing this mess and restoring peace so EVeryone can live their life the way they want as long as they don't trample on the rights of others.

  6. Hitler was a bad guy - Himmler was rotten to the core - and the NAZI SS were known for rascist zeal - and for taking entire villages of people and slaughtering behind the nearest village church.

    Those are facts supported over and over by first-hand accounts of American soldiers that participated in that conflict.

    We all know NOW that the bankers and Puppetmasters are behind these monstrous wars - and that the people are set up over and over again - and that lies and propaganda work.

    But the NAZI way is not the American way - never was - never will be.

    Liberty - Justice for ALL -

    I have Jewish friends - they share the attributes of other people I greatly admire and respect who may or may not be Jewish.

    That is what America is all about - everybody has a stake in it -

    and everybody oughta' get a fair shake - their day in court - and have their unalienable rights protected at all costs.

  7. First-hand accounts of American soldiers. The same guys who "liberated" Dachau and put 520 surrendered German soldiers against a wall? The same guys who ran Operation Keelhaul? The same guys who starved to death over a million German PoWs? The same guys who firebombed Dresden? You believe those guys?

    The American way is the Communist way. Those wonderful sadists were the military partners of the Soviet Union for three and a half years.

    1. So JB, you responded but didn't answer my specific question -

      NAZI false-flag attack, blame the guys they wish to attack, then use violence to take what they want.

      What about when the NAZIs flattened Rotterdam?

      I was in Belgium and many Euro countries back in the 90's and many people everywhere thanked me - as if I had anything to do with it - for the sacrifices Americans had made to liberate them.

      What about France?

      The whole war was inevitable -the Germans starved and taxed into oblivion - the the NAZIs took over - by hook and by crook - and fanned the justifiable anger to rally a nation via propaganda and lies to militarize them - and used their well-founded anger to lie them into wars of aggression.

      I never blame the "Germans" ever - never - it was the mind-fucking lies that were told to them that eventually ended in their country being flattened.

    2. Who killed more French people - Germany or America?

      There's some disconnect for people such as yourself - you can't seem to realize that the Germans were defending themselves from us, the real liars. You may not approve of the way they did it, but they didn't attack us or threaten us. It was us, threatening and attacking them. It may make you feel good about yourself to be "thanked" by ignorant modern people who can go to jail for telling the truth about WWII, or by questioning our official lies.

      Hitler lied? When? What about Roosevelt and Churchill and Stalin? Why don't you criticize those congenital liars, perverts, drunks and mass murderers instead of the defeated ones who can't, even today, defend themselves from official American lies?

    3. JB - do you like having your genitals touched at the airport? Do you willingly walk into a radiation bath? Can you tell me the radiation dose you get from that unit? Do you agree with these complete morons at the airport stealing from passengers, participating in this psy-op against Americans conditioning them to passively accept molestation and humiliation - incrementally - in ever increasing levels of obscenity?

      Do you agree that instead of going through the body counts of previous wars and looking for a way to blame somebody else for past atrocities - that we would do better to ask ourselves why masses of Americans are being conditioned to accept slavery?

      Maybe you haven't yet realized that we are being incrementally drawn into a police state - and that elements of our own government consider false-flag attacks on Americans a necessary means to their ends?

      Do you think it is rational for a government created to protect my life should kill me in order to make me safe?

      Do you think checkpoints in this country are reminiscent of a paranoid society? Do you think the war on drugs has proven to be the most useful tool of all for the denial of the rights of the citizens of the United States?

      Do you think the SS officer killing a guy at McDonalds in Hawaii - up for 2nd degree murder because of a technicality in Hawaii that saved him from 1st degree - do you think that's OK? Do you think he saved us from the terrorists?

      Or don't you think about these things - that these events are demonstrative of America morphing into a familiar dictatorship of the past based on lies and murder?

      Don't you love liberty like I do?

    4. What's all this got to do with US government lies about Germany that were used to destroy that country? The same lies used to destroy Iraq. The Germans never did what our government says they did. You want a connection with a history that never was, the German annihilation of the Jews. It was America that annihilated millions of Germans and to cover that up, the same America lied that we were only giving the Germans what they deserved, what they had done to the Jews. Stop being so self-righteous about the greatest generation. They were a sadistic bunch of war criminals, both against the Germans and the Japanese.

      You say you love liberty but do you love the truth?

    5. JB - What's all this got to to with you having your nuts felt at the airport by TSA thugs? What about your kids? Do you care?

      Why do you care more about historical debates than a debate about the here-and-now, where NAZI-like thugs are taking little girls into the "private viewing area" away from their parents - you hear that? Why do you care more about debating the past - when our liberty is being stolen right in front of us? Do you care more about history than your own liberty?

      The NAZI analogy is an accurate analogy in many many ways - from the color of the uniforms, to the "ver are your papers?" bullshit - to the roadblocks - to the attempts to limit travel of citizens within their own country - to the attack dogs, even the helmets look like the old NAZI helmets with the ear-bulges.

      We are even using weapons that are based on - yes - the NAZI weapon called the "storm-rifle":
      "The term assault rifle is a translation of the German word Sturmgewehr (literally "storm rifle", as in "to storm a position"). The name was coined by Adolf Hitler[3] to describe the Maschinenpistole 43, subsequently re-named Sturmgewehr 44, the firearm generally considered the first assault rifle that served to popularise the concept and form the basis for today's modern assault rifles."

      GO TO THAT LINK - YOU WILL SEE AN M-16 sitting right there in the picture.

      Please stop trying to piss on my leg and tell me it's raining - you are big on Jew-bashing, light on historical parallel.

      The analogy stands.

    6. Your very own historical parallel is piss poor. There is nothing "NAZI" going on. The Germans called themselves National Socalists not the jewish coined term "NAZI". So really, stop the German bashing instead of accusing JB of jew bashing. You are projecting that is obvious. What we have here in the US is Bolshevism. Jewish majority rule. ZOG or JOG. We are occupied just like Germany and really all of Western Nation States. Hopefully the jewish created golem military subjects will turn on their masters. Golems usually do.

    7. You've obviously run out of argument - you are making gratuitous assertions at this point - which I can equally counter - in other words - checkmate.

      But at least you tried.......it is better to try and fail than to not try at all - I respect you for trying - but the TSA scum are just that - scum - and there is no good argument to support them -

      I hope - that as you examine the debate - and see the FACTS you've been presented with - that you may consider my point that the TSA is a child-molesting sick bunch of pukes.

      I've enjoyed destroying you and the rest of the distractors in this debate and appreciate your effort to distract the discussion from why the TSA is feeling people's and children's genitals at the airport - (a Congressman targeted just within the last two days) -

      I dunno - I hate the TSA -maybe you are into that stuff - you know - being demeaned to satisfy some deeply engrained sexual problem you haven't yet overcome - hey - just a guess - since you've been takin' pot shots in my direction.

      Maybe you love having a stranger stick their hand down your daughters pants. I dunno - maybe that gives you a thrill.

      Does it?

    8. "I've enjoyed destroying you and the rest of the distractors". "checkmate". This is sadistic thinking and not to mention childish. All you have accomplished is German bashing. You have no care about truth. You don't fool everyone. Something tells me you are wet behind the ears.

    9. Something tells me you don't want to stay on the topic at hand - which is why the TSA, VIPR teams now growing, homeland security buying up all that ammo - I mean - there's nobody else to use all the .40 ammo they bought here in the US except for ME and YOU....those are the concerns we are addressing - the incremental and accelerating encroachment of federal power-mongers on civil liberties.

      I find it fascinating that throughout my destruction of the arguments presented in this commentathon, that you have such keen powers of observation which allow you to detect "sadism" in my pleasure at destroying poor arguments based on unsound reasoning but...

      your keen power to detect sadistic acts on the part of the TSA and US police forces is completely lacking...

      That's a bit of a contradiction- that you cannot detect the sadistic nature of the TSA people - and the way they've been caught over and over again abusing and humiliating people at the airports, and now the highways, now buses and trains -

      If being "wet behind the ears" is your description of my ability to see what is obvious - TSA thuggery that is truly sadistic - I can only say "Thank You"...

    10. LOL, you really have nothing left to say do you? The jews are behind these sadistic laws. You have not done your homework. Yes you are certainly wet behind the ears. You have no clue as to where all this destruction of America comes from. Go do some reading in JB's website. Maybe you will learn something. Comparing all these sadistic laws on the Germans of a past era is ignorant and childish. et tu juif?

  8. Well said to those that know better. May the Germans rise again!

    1. I admire the Germans and hope they kick the bankers out of their country just like I hope we Americans kick those bastards out too.

      I never ever ever say bad things about "Germans" - that is absurd.

      But the NAZI police state - c'mon - who in the hell wants to live like that?

      We are duplicating that sick model for society here - why?

      Long live the Germans - long live just about everybody - but to hell with the puppetmasters pitting Germans against Americans, Americans against Muslims - whites against blacks, men against women, dems against repubs,

      It is all a manipulative method of keeping us all fighting each other while they escape with the loot.

  9. LOL, "Hitler was a bad guy". My goodness this hate Hitler and he was this or that sounds like the kosher channel that calls itself the history channel. Americans will soon realize that they ruined any chance of ARYAN future by destroying their Teutonic cousins in Germany.

    1. Hitler had Ernst Rohm and a small army of SA people - regular people who helped him gain power - MURDERED.

      That's a bad guy.

      Running a country - any country based on lies, false-flag attacks, murder - it just can't end well.

      Yes - there are positive things Hitler accomplished - but he didn't do it without financing - and some of that financing came right out of Wall street - from Americans.

      So we did contribute to the NAZI war effort - so I don't think it is fair to say that Americans, some of them, didn't support Hitler.

      But as a nation - America rejected the model for society Hitler advanced - and we reject it today.

  10. 'Hitler was a bad guy'

    Who says? The Jewish media? Hollywood? He has to be the bad guy doesn't he? stops everyone looking at him objectively. America and Jewry always have to have a bad guy, so as to excuse them for the atrocities they commit all over the world. Who is it this week? Hitler? Bin-Laden? Milosovich? Assad? Putin?
    Hitler has to be the most lied about person in history, but then he did commit the most terrible crime of withdrawing from the Jewish Banking System.

    I do not know of one instance where German soldiers were accused of rape, yet American soldiers do is as a national pastime.

    And then we have the holy holohoax, the biggest lie ever told by Jewry to cast them as the eternal victims. Also useful for Britain and America to cover-up their war crimes at Nagasaki, Dresden, Cleves, Hiroshima etc, etc.

    If you look at the policies in America today, they are ther complete opposite to what the Nazis did, yet exactly what the Jewish led Communists did in Russia. By the time they have finished, America will be like a dried husk. There is no place for a strong America under Global Communism, everyone one and everything has to be dragged down to the lowest common denominater in the true Communist tradition.

    1. http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/7-8/7-8_11.HTM

      "example of Nazi contempt for the accepted rules of war; and it would serve a United States Senator as a stepping-stone toward a meteoric career. But the Malmédy massacre and the other murders of 17 December did not complete the list chargeable to Peiper and the troops of the 1st SS Panzer Division. By 20 December Peiper's command had murdered approximately 350 American prisoners of war and at least 100 unarmed Belgian civilians, this total derived from killings at twelve different locations along Peiper's line of march.

      So far as can be determined the Peiper killings represent the only organized and directed murder of prisoners of war by either side during the Ardennes battle. 4 The commander of the Sixth SS Panzer Army took oath in the trials of 1946 that, acting on Hitler's orders, he issued a directive stating that the German troops should be preceded "by a wave of terror and fright and that no human inhibitions should be shown.""

  11. Oh please, that old canard about financing the Hitler war machine is getting real old. Of course America rejected everything Hitler and the Germans stood for. They were duped into thinking they were free when in reality they were slaves to the jews and their power base of the monetary swindle we are all whining about today. Hitler's spirit lives on like he said because people are now realizing he was right. The jews declared war on the Germans period in turn this was a declaration of war on the Western Civilization. How many Aryans died because of this?? Including the Americans themselves.

    1. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html

      "Prescott Bush (search) was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press."

      Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html#ixzz1szuNA4BY

  12. Once Upon a time, I was at a farewell dinner party
    The historical conversation of slavery came up

    I remarked how poverty was the new slavery

    That was in 2006

    It is more evident today that the new slavery is poverty.

    Trickle down is trickle up
    economics a game for crooks

    The market is rigged
    legal tender, rare
    Toil in the mine,
    get what is fair

    Work all your days
    until there are none
    but the spring has sprung

    Boot the incumbents
    bring a wave of the new
    the best new ideas begin
    with the few

    Bring back the Constitution
    look up at the stars
    ponder the reasons you live here
    not even on Mars

    We're all here together
    on a roundness in space
    Let's travel together
    open hand, open to grace.

    Necessity guides us to a better Union.

    1. Thank you -

      I read a statistic - can't remember where - that we proud liberty-loving Americans - have more blacks in corporate prisons - than were held back in the slave days in chains.

      Necessity is the mother of invention for sure...

      That poem - thank you

  13. Did you not get what I said?? The jews declared WAR on the Germans in 1933 and this was a declaration of WAR on WESTERN CIVILIZATION!!! And do you know who built WESTERN CIVILIZATION? It was not jews, blacks or asians. It was the ARYANS.

    1. Prove it. But still........

      I'm talking about America - as defined by our Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, Constitution.

      Somehow I know, anonymous, that if you or your kid were called a "terrorist" and whisked off to be tortured and never have a trial, or if your loved one were murdered because the Fuhrer/President ordered her/him murdered - you would not like it.

      You see - that's what we are talking about here - the American way where everybody is supposed to have their unalienable rights protected by the government - in fact - that is the only true function of our government.

      So to me, the origins of civilization are a deep and fascinating subject - one of my favorites - but right now - in America - we need to ensure that we do not stray from our values - of liberty and justice for all.

      We have a superb Constitution - that if it were followed - right now - most of our problems in this country would end immediately - and we could begin to rebuild - and the problems we are causing for others where we are meddling in their country would stop -

      I've said before that if the devil himself were president of the United States - the checks and balances of our system would make sure he was reigned in. Presently - we have con-artists, traitors, liars, and cowards in positions of power that are not performing their sworn duty -

      As we come together - and put aside these petty differences that divide us - and we come together to pressure those in govt to do their jobs - and they realize that we are backing them in large numbers - our system will correct.

      I hope you hang in there - I have absolutely no beef with you - thanks for commenting

  14. I curse the tsa...daily!

    1. Geez - at least somebody here realizes how bad the TSA is.

      What a relief!

  15. It you are talking about America than leave the Germans and National Socialism out of it!!You say that it was a good thing to kill Germans. That kind of comment puts you in the same league as the jewish bolshevics who ran the soviet union and invented right here in america. In you own words, that makes you a bad guy.

    1. I never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever

      blame Germans. Ever.

      By the way - something you seem not aware of - I have freedom of speech still - so I don't have to leave anything out of it.

      US vets that were in that war did what they were told was right. The NAZIs did what they were told was right.

      What we are striving for here in America is a free and open society where We thePeople determine - based on facts reported by a free press - the direction of our country - and we want that direction to reflect our values - which are firmly cemented in the assurance of the unalienable rights of everyone.

      TSA mimics NAZI thuggery - preying on a captive audience of people trying to travel within the US. Such restrictions of travel are indicitive of a tyrannical state. That's how the NAZIs operated.

      If you are not able to see the obvious parallels demonstrated by the TSA and their hero NAZI thugs - I'll just have to keep trying.

      I'll mark you down as "undecided"

  16. All of us each and now
    can choose to hash and rehash
    the false paradigm of them

    against us

    We are all in this
    together, to gather
    the fruits and the blossoms

    to the table to share
    as there is one orb we
    live on

    there is one table before all of us.

    : )

  17. You can debate whether the nazis were really as bad as anglo-American propaganda made them out to be till you turn blue.

    Its obvious the truth is somewhere in between. Nazism was an evil but it was not any more evil than any government bureaucracy gone amuck. America already owes the Nazis an apology for vilifying those who claimed they were only following orders.

    However, any intelligent person realizes that even what I have said above (that Nazism was equivalent to any other power-hungry state) will get me called anti-semite or worse by the brainwashed lemmings.

    The point is that the myth of Hitler and Nazism is often used to dupe Americans into giving up their rights, sacrificing their intelligence and numbing themselves to anglo-American rape of the third world. Every leader who stands up for his country gets labeled "the next adolf hitler."

    At some point conscionable individuals need to stand up to this BS and say enough is enough. If you can't make your case without screaming about nazism and fascism like a college sophomore, than you don't have an intelligent argument to make.

    There are huge differences between the Nazi state and our current mess. The idea of the greatest generation, who went off to follow orders from their government is a marxist invention designed to help Americans forget the real greatest generation of the revolutionary war who stood up against government tyranny in all forms. If you buy the lie that those who defended communism are the "greatest generation" than don't scratch your head wondering why Americans have become weak. Its because of you.

    1. But I can just as easily say it is because of "you" - historical parallels are not to be ignored -

      "Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it"

      So I'll stick with repeating the historical info and you can keep repeating history itself by ignoring lessons from the past.

  18. "Nazism was an evil but it was not any more evil than any government bureaucracy gone amuck."

    I think I have to disagree on that point. There's "amok," and then there's "amok. In my view, the Nazis are the gold standard of political evil, an arch-type of the brutal fascist dictatorship that is without peer, as of this moment. I think we've not seen quite their like, before or since.

    But that doesn't mean it's impossible for someone to come along and out-do them.
    I didn't think anyone could be a worse President than Dubya, either.


    1. Hi Sparty,

      This comment discussion has delayed me from thanking you for visiting and commenting.

      I wanted to respond to the commenters intent on presenting the case that Hitler was a good guy.

      Thanks for coming by - I agree where you say the NAZIs were the gold standard for the evils that plague us-

      Von Braun - the SS man - rocket scientist that ran a big show here in the US after using slave labor to build his terror weapons used on London

      Operation Paper clip - lotta' bastards got a free pass while scapegoats were put on show trial

      The comments presented here - are really horrible - the Japanese used a false flag attack on a railroad so they could invade Manchuria for the iron ore etc...

      Hitler used these tactics

      I think Dubya was the biggest mad magazine dufus that ever had the office stolen for him -

      If he didn't know he should have - his father - a complete fucking "don"

      The opium trade in Afghanistan - big increase in production this year

      Thanks for coming by

  19. Myopia on the
    "Jewish" issue is attributable to deliberate ignorance on the Issue of the Talmud, and what makes someone a "Jewish"...90% of so-called "Jews" do not have to be "Jewish"...


    Stupid will never change true...

    300 MILLION MASS MURDERED by Zionaz/Bolshevik "JEWISH" liars & Murderers in the last century...not something bunny rabbits are too concerned with.

    1. I hope you are not roping ALL bunny rabbits into this... I'm only one.

      Americans make distinguishments when it comes to individuals.

  20. Hitler would have worn pink if Germany would have tolerated a group like the TSA. As it was, only a segment of the population was harassed. Now, the elderly and children seem to be the choice subject of unwanted and unwarranted attentions by the TSA. As long as they do not care who did 9-11, blew up the Deepwater Horizon intentionally, who is looting Wall Street, or who set off the mininukes inside the reactor buildings, and found no radiation at ground 0 at the WTCs just after 9-11, the TSA is nothing beyond adults molesting. And the head molester just ordered 450,000 rounds of hollow points in case someone does not want to have their crotch massaged. This shit was Bush's idea.

    1. Hi Howard - thank you for your comment:

      I think your comment is on target - I stick to the mantra of peace - the Feds keep surrounding us -

      I hope they don't try to use that .40 ammo on the public - for their own good.

      Americans are angry - they are ready to lash out -

  21. Hitler and the Germans will always be evil simply because it legitimizes the atrocities committed by by the lefties. As we all know, lefties are the biggest mass-murderers in history by far, but if we let nice little Jews like Spielberg peddle his poison with junk likle Swindlers List we can comnpensate and portray the Marxist as a loveable victim.

    Marxist Jewry did an excellent job blowing up those WTC buildings and getting America out into the M.E. to do the fighting on their behalf so they might have hegemony over the area.

    Irving has a nice little nugget from scumball Chaim Weizmann on his website. The Jewish leader promises that US Jews can drag USA into war again, just as they did in WW1. Same junk, different day.


    Anyway talking about America is pointless as they are doomed to the dustbin of history. What a short lifespan they had! Hitler was so right when he suggested they would be a mushroom nation if Jewry got their teeth into them.

    1. Sun Tzu, in the Art of War tells us that all war is based on deception - and that the greatest victory is achieved by having your enemy surrender without a fight.

      So by accepting your premise that talking about the problems we have in America - by exercising our freedom of speech - that this is pointless - would allow my enemies - those trampling on the rights of Americans who will do worse - would allow those enemies of the Bill of Rights a victory........

      "I have just begun to fight" comes to my mind - I don't can't and won't ever accept a lower standard than the Bill of Rights - and I am willing to fight for those rights.

      "Having" rights is only possible by "exercising" those rights - and I know somehow - that by exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech - that such exercise will, as most exercise done correctly does, make my efforts more powerful - eventually - defeating my enemy-Bill of Rights wanna-be thieves -

      ....and that I won't have to exercise the second amendment along with the rest of America.

      I hope you will re-consider your willingness to surrender your rights and join us on points of agreement so we can, together, develop solutions to return America from a TSA-thugged place to a TSA-free-zone forever.

  22. I never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever

    blame Germans. Ever.


    The Nazis were Germans you dick!
    But because you and your greedy Jews friends couldn't tolerate a powerful Germany who was not going to go down into the corporate abyss of debt and slavery by withhdrawing from Jewry's banking system. What a startling recovery Germany made once it released itself from Jewry's clutches, it could have set a precident and we could never have that could we?

    That is a load of crap about Americans having a choice abouty entering the war, as well you know. Everyone knows Pearl Harbour was a setup, exactly like 9/11 was. Also, half The British people wanted to join Germany in the late thirties, so Winston Jerome had Mosely and everyone locked up. Mind you after Jewry had paid all his gambling debts off and stopped his estate going into liquidation, he had to tow the line as his part of the bargain, of course this entailed destroying Britain. Chamberlain never wanted war either. Nor did the Royals, so they were all removed.

    I hope Americans enjoy their new found future under Jewish Marxism.

    1. Not all NAZI's were German, "Richard" - that's why I said what I did.

      There were NAZIs from other nation - SS too:

      So to say "the NAZIs were Germans" is incorrect, because NAZI-ism was a political movement - and some Germans were not NAZIs.

      So one must distinguish between NAZIs and Germans.

      Got that" Richard"?

      I agree with your false-flag attacks as used to foment the wars, as we have not learned that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was completely made up due to recent revelations.

      Hitler used false-flags too - so it isn't reasonable for you to exempt him from your list of criminals.

    2. "Hitler used false-flags too". Can you name any false flags?

    3. I am not doing any more homework for you - look it up. Gotta' move on to other things now.

    4. LOL, I expected this kind of answer. There were no false flags used by Hitler you moron!!!!! To use your sillyness, CHECKMATE

    5. OK - the Japanese blew up a railroad and used it as an excuse to invade Manchuria - that's a WW2 example that doesn't include NAZIs.

      So - LOL - again - I'm not doing your homework for you - you will have to look that up.

  23. Jack rabbit writes like he never was able to grow out of the WW2 propaganda that he was raised with.

    1. Thanks anonymous - I appreciate your input - and will continue to remind readers that, as a Socratic Ironist, I can only claim awareness that I am ignorant - that I don't know it all.

      But I have read plenty about what happened there - mostly personal accounts of soldiers who wrote their story, for example:

      "I Flew for the Fuhrer" by Heinz Knoke: In this book Heinz explicates on his diary documenting his training, combat, and many missions flying the Messerschmidt Bf109.

      "The Forgotton Soldier": Cannot remember the author -NAZI soldiers account of his conscription, training and fighting with elite NAZI infantry division - eventually ending up in Russia -with most of his buddies freezing into corpses since the hero of most commenters here, Adolf Hitler, sent them into Russia late in the season with no coats. There's a parallel - our NAZI leaders sent our troops to invade a country, Iraq, that never attacked us, in oversized jeeps with no armor and no armored vests - hmmmm.

      "The Boat" by Lothar-Gunther Bucheim: fact-based fiction written by a war correspondent - life on a U-boat

      "The Good War" by Studs Terkel: this is a must-read - many perspectives given from eye-witnesses from Americans, Japanese who'd been nuked, American soldiers who were used as nuclear-test gunei pigs - US infantry - war industrialists - all interviews turned into their stories - a must-read

      "Foot Soldier" by Roscoe C. Blunt Jr : American Infantryman describes combat from France all the way to the end - lots of looting in this book - as the guys were trained as bomb-technicians - were able to defeat booby-traps and get lots of war souveneirs. Fighting the SS discussed in this book -

      There's more but my pen just ran out of ink.

  24. Of course there were non-Germanic soldiers who gave their lives to try and save Europe from the clutches of Jewish banking and Communism, no-one is disputing that. Why, even the Cossacks had an SS Cavalry division. Winston Jerome handed them over at the end of hostilites and they were all slaughtered by the Jewish NKVD (including their horses). But at the end of the day the Nazis origin was Germany and most Germans voted for it, and were happy ruling their own destiny. But as with anyone who stands up to the banking system and organized Jewry, whether it be Hitler, Kennedy, Gaddafi, etc then the troublke starts. The Germans are still occupied today and have to live under Stalin era Communist laws. over one-hundred thousand Germans have been fined/imprisoned during the last five years for not expressing opinions tht do not fit in with these Communist laws.

    Jack Rabbit you will have to trot out 'Ivan the Terrible', or worse still, 'Mengele', one of vermin Elie Wiesel's inventions in a minute.

    For me, I am still waiting to see just one mass grave exhumed from so-called German atrocities. It is nearly seventy years since the wars end and still not a single mass grave has ever been produced to this day. Of course we have all the childish propaganda films from Belsen and Dachau, but no 'death camps' are said to exist on German soil now. Then you have battleship Auschwitz, which is going down faster than the Titanic. further and further east we trot as one by one the dominoes fall.

    1. Look at the link from the reply above - it wasn't a grave - the people murdered by the SS were lying all over the place in the snow. No digging required.

  25. LOL, Rabbit what you are trying to prove is nothing new. This propaganda against the Germans is not working anymore. More and more people have come to know better. May all the Aryans rise again this time truely unified against jewish bolshevism. What you claim to have studied is propaganda not historical content. You don't seem to recognize the difference.

    1. The problem we are addressing here - is that the TSA are molesting children and feeling the genitals of free people - for nothing.

      Propaganda against Germans? I have effectively destroyed that argument above.

      TSA - do you work for them?

  26. Look at the link from the reply above - it wasn't a grave - the people murdered by the SS were lying all over the place in the snow. No digging required.


    LOL! the highly dubious Malmendy episode? Not exactly what one might describe as a 'holocaust' is it? My Lai was worse than that, you Yanks butchered women and children into a pit, including babies FFS!

    Anyway, can you show me a exhumation and archaeological study comparable to this from so-called WW2 Gerrman atrocities?


    Death warrant signed by Stalin's top Jew at the time, Beria. German ammo used from Molotov/Ribbentrop pact that the lefties had been hoarding. Show trials at the wars end. Germans blamed. Germans hung. Not until 1989 was it conceded the atrocities were executed by the NKVD death squads.

    No mass grave has ever been exhumed and investigated since WW2 that implicates Germans. All there is is the Typhus mess at the camps at the wars end where the German infrastructure had collapsed due to allied terror bombing. To accompany this we have Swindler's List, 'Night' by Weasel and the Anne Frank Travelling Roadshow.

    1. Anon:

      I have never taken the position that the United States hasn't committed some atrocious acts - that's a no-brainer so I don't need any convincing on that topic.

      My position is that today, with our ability to share information without the "middleman" media - we can make up our own minds after having considered all information available...

      And that the information available today- to me - and to you - is that the TSA - without probable cause - is searching and investigating the genitals of Americans at airports.

      They just tried to grab a congressman's crotch and he stopped them several days ago. A big hub-bub resulted -

      The TSA are participating in the transformation of America, and the minds of its citizens into a gigantic prison to make us "safe."

      And the really funny thing about all of this is that prisons are actually some of the most dangerous and violent places on the planet.

      Today - we must abolish the TSA. As soon as possible.

  27. We must abolish jewish rule which is reponsible for this SOVIET style BULLY. This is not Germanic in style. It is bolshevic. Trying to stop the TSA itself is a dead end street and a half assed solution. Europe has the same problem. They have to abolish jewish rule as well. All Western Nation States.

  28. So - is it fair to say that we although we cannot, for now at least, come to agreement as to the historical foundations of the TSA thug tactics, their disregard for human beings they are irradiating at the airport including rapidly developing children......

    ...that we DO agree that the TSA serves as a "poster child" for the unconstitutional encroachment on ALL of us?

    We should at least agree upon that -

    That the TSA is ignoring our Bill of Rights - no probable cause -

    We can all agree on that I think it fair to say...

    And for that reason alone - the TSA, performing unconstitutional, and therefore illegal, by definition, searches and seizures - that they must be stopped immediately - as they are breaking our law of the land - and if we are to live in a nation of laws, not of men, not of those who abuse their authority to break the law - that they should be disbanded immediately - and those responsible for these crimes should be prosecuted immediately.

  29. What you don't understand is the US is not a Nation State. It is a geographical entity with multi racial mixed up mongrols. We already live in a state of laws, not of men. The jews deem themselves the law. Aryans conquered this big vast of land called America. Patrick Henry knew that the Federal Constitution was a masonic blueprint for world empire influenced by the jews of course. He is one of the instigatures to add the BILL OF RIGHTS for protection against the US Constitution. He knew. This mess that has gone on has been at the instigation of jews just like the soviet union. Germany and Hitler merely slowed down the process of the jewish law. So did JFK. They tried and lost. Itelligent Aryans do not take their jewish masters lightly. It is still the same old battle as in ancient times. Jews vs. Aryans. Both are in the minority of world population. ALways have been. Jews have always resented WESTERN CIVILIZATION. Aryans build, jews destroy. So, once again, America must free itself of jewish rule.

    1. Thanks anonymous - where we agree and disagree

      So we cannot agree - for now - on a group to place blame on for what ails America - because - for reasons I stated above - I cannot agree that the Jews are the problem - because if there is one Jew that is not part of the problem, I'd be ignoring their individuality - and that is what I see as the most anti-American act of all - to not protect that one Jew's rights - because we've grouped them in with the rest.

      It's almost as if an elephant that had gone berserk from being held in a cage for too long trampled a bunch of people at the zoo - or even a herd of elephants went nuts -and trampled a bunch of people - should we just go after all the elephants?


      I'm in the process of Reading the "anti-federalist papers" by Patrick Henry and am aware of many of his arguments criticizing the format that, at the time of his writing the anti-fedpapers" , were considered flaws in the Constitution - and that he wanted a Bill of Rights. He wanted it because he felt that a Bill of Rights would serve as a bell of warning to citizens - since any attempt to deny those rights would alarm the public significantly enough that the public would "throw the bums out."

      I agree with you that many citizens are disinterested in the political process - another concern Patrick Henry took into consideration while discussing the anti-federalist viewpoints.

      I agree that the United States is no longer a nation of laws - because laws are only relevant - or enforced - upon a target audience - like pot-smokers, small-time drug dealers, people with a joint and gun in the house at the same time, people who cannot pay their mortgages, people who cannot pay the interest and fees on the interest on the interest and fees of a non-secured debt.......yes - those are the people upon which the force of the law is directed to punish them, fine them, incarcerate them.....

      The law seems blind, however, to the drug dealers profiting from the atrocity known as the Afghan war - a war that has turned around the Taliban's success in their wiping out the opium fields - to a banner year every year for those profiting from this scourge, blind to the crimes of military contractors who've used civilians for target practice and as crash-test dummies with their US-taxpayer funded vehicles...

      The law is blind to the TSA molesting what are supposed to be citizens with rights...

      The law is blind to our own Justice Department officials who sold guns and fucking GRENADES to gangs in Mexico that have been proven the murder weapons in deaths of US law enforcement officers...nobody mentions the Mexicans murdered with these weapons -AK-47s

      The law is blind to cops who murder and Taser average folks....

      The list is so long there is almost no point anymore....


      The only way forward is always the identification of points of agreement - and working together to forward those things we agree upon -

    2. I meant "uninterested" above - not "disinterested" since whether they concern themselves with the political process or not - they've got a stake in it - so cannot be "disinterested"

      So - putting our differences aside - don't you think we should abolish the TSA since they are doing what Patrick Henry had in mind when he said: "Give me Liberty or Give Me Death!".......?

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  58. Now America supports the ORIGINAL nazis --
    The PALESTINIANS are the descendants of HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS.
    The Canaanites/Amorites/Philistines/Midianites/PALESTINIANS were in PALESTINE long before ABRAHAM passed through from Babylon/Ur ......Israel's "claim" to Palestine is based entirely on War Crimes and GENOCIDE.

    JEWS invented holocaust , JEWS committed the FIRST holocaust, JEWS Codified it as PROPER CONDUCT into their "religion", and JEWS BRAG about committing genocide!
    Deuteronomy 7:16, 20:16 “And thou shalt consume all the peoples which the Lord thy God shall deliver unto thee; thine eye shall not pity them…thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth.”

    Numbers c.5 v.2-4
    Leviticus c.20 v.13 well, really the whole chapter
    Exodus c.32 v.27
    Numbers c.11 v.1-2
    Numbers c.16 all
    Numbers c.21 v.5-6
    Numbers v.26 v.10
    KILL anyone who engages in "DIVERSITY" or "INTEGRATION"
    Numbers v25 v.4-8
    Deuteronomy c.14 v.2
    a very brief selection, many more in THEIR book.
    Numbers c.21 v.03 Canaanites
    Numbers c.21 v.24 Amorites
    Numbers c.21 v.33-35 Bashan
    Numbers c.31 all Midianites
    Numbers c.32 v. more Amorites
    Deuteronomy c.2 v.34 People of Heshbon
    Deuteronomy c.3 v.6 really the whole chapter. threescore cities
    Joshua c.12 A list of victims of Israeli GENOCIDE
    Numbers c.21 v.25
    Numbers c.32 v.39
    Numbers c.33 v.53
    (just to name a FEW)
    Numbers c.33 v.31-34
    Deuteronomy c.7 v.2
    Deuteronomy c.12 v.28-30
    Deuteronomy c.20 v.11-16
    Deuteronomy c.2 v.2
    Deuteronomy c.7 v.1
    Jews SELF-anointed "The CHOSEN People of GOD"
    Nazis SELF-anointed "The CHOSEN People of GENETICS".
    TODAY Israel states that it is creating "A PURE Jewish State"
    YESTERDAY the Nazis were creating "A PURE German State"
    And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword . . . (Joshua 6:21)
    For modern day reinforcement of these "rules" research/google "the KINGS TORAH"


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